and he saw paul ryan who if he's not the vice president come january, will be the conservative standard bearer for at least the next four years. that's probably what drives huckabee's comments. look, the contrast last night was stunning. i don't mean between ryan and the vice president. i mean between biden and obama. because biden last night was everything that the democratic base wanted barack obama to be in his first presidential debate. the answer to your question really is, did he push the envelope too much? and i would say he did not push the envelope too much. i've been taking phone calls for the last two hours from a lot of folks who were in the gop base and they think that he did. i find it interesting that they're not saying anything about his substance. >> all right. ann, let me bring you in. you're far too beautiful for michael toll ever pull off anything close to you. let me bring you in on this. it's the truth. i want to talk about the medicare. we had high anticipation of