not one additional penny of new revenue. what the vice president said very clearly last night was that one way you could deal with some of the social security issue was to deal with the revenue part. and i thought he said very clearly that if republicans were willing to come off their position, that they could have a conversation. the president and the vice president would consider these ideas. >> so chris, what's the answer? let's just talk about you. you're a member of congress. you're a leader in the democratic party. would you consider raising the retirement age as a means to saving the program? >> what i have said, and i say it again here, is that i'm looking -- willing to look at all constructive ideas so long as you take a balanced approach. i've been very clear. i support the sort of balanced framework set out in simpson-bowles in terms of the mix of revenue and cuts. i think that ratio of revenue to cuts and all the other assumptions that they made in getting there is the right way to go. >> this is the question i have about -- why can't they -- why