conservative. >> this seems like a really important moment in the campaign. this, to me, seemslike something that's very, very important. in 2004, george w. bush won re-election and said i earn political capital, now i'm going to spend it. he tried to spend it on privatizing social security. paul ryan was on board. the democrats have now signaled as of this debate tonight they're going to try to it hold him to that, make him run on privatizing social security. in all the conversations you had on policy with paul ryan, was he telling you that the republican leadership made him take privatizing social security out of his plan, but he's still for it, he still wants that? >> well, the part about the republican leadership is well known. he didn't say that in any specific interviews. one thing that's important to know here, and this came out a lot tonight in the debate. ryan, as of a couple of years ago, not 50 years ago or ten years ago, but two years ago h a much more extreme set of policies. he had privatization and a