measurement issues and will fall out of the data. having said that you still have a big gain in looking over the past year, household employment is rising fairly steadily, solidly. i wouldn't say strongly but, you know, this isn't too bad. it shows the job market is steadily improving. >> when you looked at the different sectors, 44,000 added in health care, 17,000 in transportation, the big one here, 16,000 added in manufacturing. i remember when you and i talked last month manufacturing was a negative and i remember you basically questioned that number. you were shocked by it. >> chuck, i'm not sure. was it up or down? >> this time it was up and i think it was last month we had the surprise where manufacturing was down. >> you know, my view is manufacturing -- >> august versus september. my apologies. >> right. my view is that manufacturing is weakened in the last few months largely because of europe and the fallout on our exports which drive manufacturing. but, you know, i think our manufacturing businesses and the industry itself is very competitive and we're going to see a lot more job growth in