morning show "up with chris hayes." he's the author of "twilight of the elites." thanks for being here. >> it's great to be here. >> i want to ask you about the obama care decision specifically. so, romney decided to run as the most anti-obama care guy in the whole world for most of the primaries. starting last month he started to shift to say, i'm actually glad to be known as the grandfather of this. this should be -- he's bringing it up unprompted. this is one of the ways i want you to know that i am a compassionate person that i did romney care in my state. conservatives used to be very upset whenever he did that. now they don't mind. is that smart on their part? >> yeah, it is smart on their part. it turns out "a" the bill is not as toxic as it was. >> at the national level. >> at the national level. "b," the underlying principle is popular. which conservatives lost sight of the fact that people like the idea of folks having health insurance. if they get hit by a stroke of bad luck. or they happen to have a bad disease. it was that they didn't like the bill, because the bill played out in this country bad way over 18 months. but people like the principle.