ideological, but typical mitt romney who for a business guy doesn't always examine the details, i mean, i don't think they thought through the implications. >> i don't get -- >> i don't think -- they were going for the sizzle of the conservative without looking at the details. >> let me get into this for a minute here. this is the mitt romney -- we all have problems in our thinking, nobody is perfect obviously. i thit the problem is mitt romney is he wants all the advantages of a conviction politician. he wants to be seen as one, but he isn't one. he's a pragmatist. let's get a look. the sparkest bit of evidence paul ryan's position on medicare is poisoning the republican ticket came a week ago when paul ryan was booed at the aarp convention when he called for the repeal of obama care. let's watch this. >> the first step to a stronger medicare is to repeal obama care because it represents the worst of both worlds. i had a feeling there would be mixed reaction, so let me get