because of our debt. we have a problem of deflation. but i'm just saying, if -- people don't accept that but they accept he's done the best he can. and what's interesting in the polls is that they know it's tough, but they think he's got the better plan to fix it. >> let's talk about the two things we argue about on this show. let's start with immigration. how do you get through a really good immigration bill that has both progressivity in terms of letting people come in the country, recognizing who is already in the country, allowing people to come in on shorter periods of time with work permits. how do you put it all on paper and stop the under the table stuff? can he do that with a team that really enforces it? >> you do it the way reagan did it. you get both parties together and you figure it out. and you do it in the congress. and the reason we haven't done it is because the republicans have blocked it. and that's the other thing. if republicans lose the latino vote this time by the kind of margins the polls are showing, there are many people in the republican party, karl rove