but the president did extend medicare by eight years and folks aren't buying i'm going to take care of people currently on the system, we're going to change it forever for everybody else. >> so -- >> you know we have to do that. >> we have to do it as part of an overall budget deal. a $4 trillion deal. where we put everything on the table. if we want to get a deal, let's get an overall global deal that puts $4 trillion on the table that includes revenue raises. >> paul ryan -- >> $4 trillion is a drop in the bucket. >> before you saw ridiculous. where it's $4 trillion or $6 trillion to get a budget deal we have to have revenue-raising measures. you cannot implement paul ryan's plan while not allowing for any increases -- >> first of all, you know, the governor romney showed enormous courage when he picked paul ryan for just this reason because he's willing to engage that battle. we know we have a president who