lever. the 15th segment of independent voters and you said and we said, there are none. the arteries are hardened. there's no middle ground. the parties have diverged so much and talking about before it starts with the bourque hearing and republican anger of that and the mood of gingrich to d.c. and response to impeachment and builds until 2000 and the parties diverging so much there's no middle ground and now there's really no middle ground and there's -- i don't understand these people who when we say might be choosing, i don't think they really exist. and this will continue to 2016 and maybe 2020 unless something drastic happens to change it. >> yeah. i go back further. i'd say that the current, you know, political alignment and divide back to 1950s and 1960s and civil rights movement and you had conservative white democrat s united with liberal northerners in the republican party and united with the far right goldwater righters but