crash took place just about quarter to nine by my reckoning. i don't know the exact time, about quarter to nine, and when that took place, obviously at that hour the building would not be packed with people but it is still late enough in the morning that there would be enough people. >> we are listening to pat dawson standing near the world trade center in lower manhattan and i was thinking while pat was talking you spent time in oklahoma city after the explosion and it took more than a week to sift through that rubble of a building that was how many stories? >> probably it was about 30 stories as i remember. >> i am sorry to interrupt you both. apparently we have gotten a report that a car bomb has exploded outside the state department. again, that's an initial report that i am hearing from our producers in the control room. can we go to anyone for more information on that? apparently no more information. >> where is andrea mitchell? is she at the state department? >> the state department has been