position on abortion. but rush limbaugh clearly thinks, now, that politically, at least, the no exception for rape provision, that is their official party position, he believes that is a serious political liability, and what he's at least saying there, it is so dangerous, we can't even talk about it. >> lawrence, actually, i love this debate. because the truth of the matter is, the conservative base of the republican party, particularly the evangelical base, has been getting rolled by the polls and by the party hacks in that party for 20 or 30 years. they promise them they agree with their conservative beliefs and if given the opportunity and given political power, they will give those beliefs the force of law. but the minute actual movement conservatives say anything, the pals and the hacks, and that includes the elected people like paul ryan and the media hacks like rush limbaugh, run away from them like they have typhoid. this is what happens, election cycle after election cycle.