points, keep it general. it was people's money and that was how he stumped. romney's taking it in a different direction. that's not what presidential candidates have done. i don't know l we're seeing getting punished for this or how is this shaping people's opinions for this. >> is mark still in washington? >> yes, sir. >> when you talk to the romney campaign, what's the justification on the welfare ad? >> that some republican officials don't like it. i would say the democrats have run some ads, not just the super pac. >> no, i'm talking about what is the legal basis of the welfare reform ad? >> that the republicans made changes that some republican governors say open the door. but i don't -- i don't think that ad is justifiable but there have been democratic ad, one on governor romney's position on abortion that also is not accurate. both campaigns have done it. in the current system, there's no good way to get them to stop.