chairman of the democratic national committee and vermont governor, howard dean, and msnbc's steve kornacki and krystal ball. governor dean, a lot of democrats are saying, you know, this is the dream ticket. this is who they wanted on there. i actually don't think it's spin. as much as this is a time for spin, and you were going to get a spin reaction, no matter what in these situations, i don't think they're kidding. i think this is the ticket that the democrats want. >> well, you know, i think you have to be careful of talk like that, because it sounds like you're taking things for granted and you shouldn't. but ryan clearly is not going to help in florida. and it's true that if the democrats win in florida, then it's game over for the republicans. so i do think that governor romney has weakened his position significantly by picking paul ry. he's an amiable guy, but his views really are extreme. they're extreme on women's issues, they're incredibly extreme on medicare issues. we did -- democracy for america did some polling in six swing