you could tell looking as the running mate. they have the disgraceful ad that makes up the story about obama's record on welfare and the work requirement. they have another ad waging a war on religion which is trying to appeal to catholics. they're trying to solidify their base. and because if they didn't have that, they would have difficulty doing anything. but ryan's positions are so extreme. i'm glad we're talking about the full range of his positions on women's health, on food for hungry kids, on college affordability. on domestic violence. it just runs the gamut. these are extreme, single digit kind of support positions. >> now, catherine, when she says let's talk about all of the issues, i mean it's almost like if you look at ryan's record it's a wish list for the extreme right of the gop. immigration, he voted against this dream act.