consideration in terms of deficit being brought down and everything is on the middle class and the poor. >> yeah. it's primarily more on the poor than the middle class. correct. one thing is is important to know about the budget, before you can put a dollar of deficit, you first got to pay for the defense spending which is hundreds of billions more than obama has it. and somehow pay for the tax cuts. now, ryan, when you hear the numbers about his plan. he just told just assume my tax cuts don't cost money. he's not said how he'll do that. and so all we have are the policies on the page. and that would cost about $4 trillion more than the bush tax cuts on top of that. first you got to pay for the bush tax cuts, then $4 trillion of ryan tax cuts. he told the scorekeepers ignore