and now force ryan on to a candidate that needs to be moving towards the middle but has him now moving further to the right. and the other thing is that when we get to the numbers, you know everyone says ryan's a numbers guy. well, his budget doesn't balance anytime in the next 30 years. >> right. >> i'll be 85 before there was a balanced budget under ryan. he's just using a debt problem to cut programs that republicans have always opposed. medicare, education, higher education, pell grants, food stamps. to use that money to provide tax cuts to people like romney. now we know on the ryan budget, governor romney would only pay 1% in taxes. because he excludes all income from investments in capital gains and the like.