when you look at ryan's budget and his vision, ryan's policies and his votes, it reinforces every piece of that narrative. so i don't see how he helps romney or hurts democrats in terms of the appeal to swing voters. >> hogan, the obama campaign has been referring to the ryan budget as the ryan/romney budget for months now. romney trying to put some light between him and the ryan budget. highlights for everybody out there, the ryan plan would change medicare. it would essentially be a voucher program, affecting people under the age of 58 years old. it promotes cuts to medicare, food stamps, and transit infrastructure. listen to this on "60 minutes" last night. >> there's no question that your campaign has been trying to make this a referendum on barack obama. now some people are saying you are making it a referendum on paul ryan's budget plan. >> well, i have my budget plan, as you know, that i've put out.