he's gone from saying in 2009 that it should be the model for the country, the model for obama care. it turns out it kind of was a model for obama care. but then he doesn't like it. then you know, just yesterday he said we're going to repeal and replace obama care. and since i've got a little experience with health care, you know i'll be good at doing that. but what does that mean? what would he do? he has a crazy reluctance. i've said it before. it's like he's in the mittness protection program. he was never massachusetts governor. he didn't do any of that stuff. so he can't embrace it. but he can't entirely run away from it. so it's not a problem of his staff. eric fehrnstrom did the same thing. he spoke the truth about whether you call it a penalty or a tax you have to pay something if you refuse to get health insurance. that's a republican principle. they don't like freeloaders and free riders. they should be proud of that. that became the national law. they should be proud of that. but instead they don't like it anymore because a democrat did it. they really have a problem. >> well, fortunately, joan and