america and people who believe that the first amendment applies to everybody, including christians. >> we have 45 seconds. if you ain't doing a victory lap there for popeye's i'm not interested, but the point is, what do we make of this? is this something about freedom of expression or about the state? >> i think this is a misinterpretation of what the first amendment means. the first amendment does not say you have a right to have a franchise of chick-fil-a wherever you want. there's no one who has prevented the head of chick-fil-a from saying whatever he wants and believing whatever he wants. >> 20 seconds. >> to punish someone for their beliefs and to go after them in this way, and then to use government again to bar them from doing -- getting zoning permits, et cetera, is a dangerous step. >> maybe we'll make the colonel give us his secrets next. joann reid and susan del percio, thank you wroorb. coming up, gore vidal is dead at the age of 86. i'm pay tribute to the literally