continue to victimize other children. so this does irreparable damage to joe paterno's legacy. does it invalidate every good and worthy thing he did besides winning football games? and he did many good and worthy things besides winning football games? no, it does not invalidate those things. but it may overwhelm them. >> and, bob, we talked this week with all the more tragic is what gave paterno all the power that he had was doing different things than a lot of programs were doing around the country. >> yeah. yeah, if this had happened some place else, where it is seemingly win at all cost, and rogue coaches who jump from job to job for money and recruiting violations and all that sort of thing, it would have been just as tragic for the children who were victims. but it would not have had the same kind of resonance as the penn state situation does. because, as you said, joe paterno's power derived not just from victories, but because of what he himself called the grand