they don't know he managed pension funds, he was paid to be successful investing money for people who really cared for that money because it paid for scholarships, universities, fireman's pensions whatever it might be. they've got to get in and have this bain fight out in a nondefensive way and then we can move on to other things. because it is jammed up right now and they've got to break through it. >> along that same sort of less partisan squabbling line. the president has to get back to the inspiration and give, tell us why he what he's going to be doing for the next four years outside of the echo chamber of the choice. this will be a choice, but he -- it does require him to work harder against this partisan bickering and trying -- >> i want to get a break in bob. i want to come back and talk more about what the responsibilities in this kind of the demands are on president obama, and his comments about that. we'll be back with our roundtable. we're also going to talk about their top summer reads, as well. which we thought you'd find interesting. a little bit later bob costas and the penn state scandal as well. ♪