hitting them. it wasn't any fun and it really set them back. that i know this has happened to them. they're completely aware of it. they've had to adjust their lives. and what they're looking for is for somebody to say let's put us at center and how are we going to dig ourselves out of this. >> but here -- >> we were just talking -- it's interesting -- in the beginning of the show about the poor and low income. >> well, a lot of folks -- >> thing there's politics here now because a lot of the middle class are slipping into poverty. so there's -- you know, there's more awareness. it's not reflected in our politics. >> i would make -- the only time by the way factually -- the only time middle income actually grew since the '70s was during the '90s. people have asked me, you've slowed the middle class. what about the poor? nobody in poverty want to stay there. things like earned income tax credit, thank god the health care thing, and when the economy