republican budget chairman who worked with president clinton. >> raisingtachs. >> and said we need to have honest deficit reductions. >> fair enough. >> good discussion. 19th hole. i like it. keith boykin, great to have you with us. john fugelsang. >> we'll continue in the green room. >> coming up, the disgrace of paying police officers and firefighters minimum wage? fun it can happen in scranton, pennsylvania, don't you think it can happen anywhere? that's coming up. stay with us. ♪ ♪ why do you whisper, green grass? ♪ [ all ] shh! ♪ why tell the trees what ain't so? ♪ [ male announcer ] dow solutions use vibration reduction technology to help reduce track noise so trains move quieter through urban areas all over the world. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. [ all ] shh! [ male announcer ] solutionism. the new optimism.