not, that is off limits to people like us because we don't make enough money. there's the whole, not just a world view, there is that, but an industry devoted to helping, to tax avoidance and to avail yourself of all of that. we're having a national kind of teach-in on how the tax code has privileged the ultrawealthy with this man. >> i want to bring in quickly, steven moore, former president of club for growth. it's great to have you, steven, thank you so much. >> good morning. >> we talk about the tax avoidance industry, things like incorporating the caymans or bermuda or corporations that are called tax blockers that you set up so you can move assets through. do you think there's anything morally questionable in engaging in that kind of behavior. just matter of first principals before we get into the details. >> as long as it's not illegal. i don't think anyone is making the allegation that mitt romney