again, look back at the history of these things, a lot of times it's just not the names that are really out there. lloyd benson, jack kemp in '96. it's not just sarah palin who came from nowhere. >> do you think the person we've seen them, we've seen them physically be together, this is not some person that's totally off the radar. >> who knows. i actually tend to think he is going to go with someone who is relatively safe and obvious because i think he's going to make a very careful and safe and non-contentious decision. i kind of think he is going to go with one of the people that we have been talking about. >> this is fun and we love doing this veepstakes but this is not dispositive. this is not the thing that will turn the low information and high information voters who haven't made their decision over to say well, he picked pawlenty or ayotte -- >> i don't know. >> now i'm going with romney instead of obama. >> the vp pick in this case actually does have a chance to add momentum to the campaign. maybe anyone else, i don't know. >> if he's boring, he's not