conversation or love it. people ask me this all the time, why are we still having this conversation. >> love the conversation, be credit call of both how it is framed and who it is addressing and including. that's -- i think it is important to have the conversation. i'll always in favor of having the conversation. and i think slaughter's piece, she's an unusual woman. a member of a generation and a sector of a generation that was able to take advantage of a lot of the second wave feminismsç victories. and she, still a small number of women, got to a place of extreme power. so her personal experience, her tale of how that felt and what happened and what the limitations were both in the dplesic sphere and the workplace expectations, totally valuable. we need to, my mind, question a lot of things about that then, starting perhaps, this is my beef, with the framing. i don't know if anybody saw the cover of the atlantic, but the story of the woman being torn between this high-powered job and her two teenager sons.