i think, are very reluctant, simply because they don't want to ask for help in the same way they won't stop in at the gas station when they're completely lost and ask for directions. >> let me do my best to single handedly destroy your thesis here and look at my fellow panelists and say i need help. want to -- >> good for you. >> we're proud. >> i think everything that david is saying is right. i saw how hard it is to be in therapy recently talking to somebody and i just found it very difficult to just swim in that pool because she kept saying, how do you feel? and i did not know how i felt. >> you don't have feelings. >> maybe i'm numb. maybe i don't have the language to interpret how i feel. maybe i don't process the world that way. but here's what i want to do, but how do i feel? i don't know. i didn't want to continue because i was, like, i don't know this is not a language i know how to speak. i think a lot of men would enter therapy and find the same sort