steve, i wanted you on set for this historic moment, on the show. because we put up the big board of our vice presidential possibilities for chris christie and i am officially going to put up the very first "x" on that board, going across the chris christie slot. he's out of it. it's hopeless. "the new york times" had this story of someone being killed, as a result of this program, and another one. this is the willie horton story on steroids. it's the willie horton story with profiteering in it for christie's friend, william palatucci. what can you tell us about chris christie and william palatucci? you know all these new jersey guys. >> yeah. >> you have palatucci's cell phone number, i'm betting. >> palatucci was very good to me -- >> did he call you from pay phones or did you use your cell phone? >> this was all on the up and up.