can win without it. >> i think it is less about sarah palin type pick and more about him. it is more about his personality, the kind of man he is and the kind of presidency he wants to have and the people he wants around him in that top spot. reflect that and i think -- >> not to knock him. what nixon said in '68, doesn't matter who i'm running with, i'm going to be the issue. >> may not be the case here. if he throws that long ball -- to b the story but him. i think he wants to this be -- the story but him. >> which makes the case for portman because he's doubling down on good economics. >> reinforces his underlying message. >> maggie, do you think it's important, none of the three of us are protestants, but do you think it's important they have a protestant running mate? is that important in american politics? to have at least one protestant on the ticket. he's mormon, if he picks, he could pick i guess jeb bush's catholic. he's a convert. is that an issue anymore or not with people?