that whole thing by the way, the almost religious nature in pennsylvania, the sacredness of penn state football, the way in which the church, the catholic church, my church protects its own, got that huge case going on now and reassigning pastor, reassigning guys involved in this stuff allegedly. let me ask you about this mcquery guy. he was a guy that allegedly saw that raining scene in the shower and then what's going on with that testimony? >> mcquery was a surprise. there was one witness who was late because his daughter was having surgery, so it surprised everybody that there was mcquery all of a sudden. he was very strong and forceful. i got the impression that jerry mcquecquery, mike, has been wai for a long time to get into the courtroom and have his say about what he saw.