two. they're from opposite ends of the social spectrum, right, rudy giuliani, mitt romney here. >> go ahead. >> so they've never been close. it's not that surprising. and rudy's an ambitious guy and going to use any tv appearance to make his points. but you know it shows there's a series of people who have come around to mitt romney as the nominee on the republican side, some way to the right of giuliani and some maybe more toward the center where he is, and there's just not a tremendous level of excitement. >> but he's going at him on his record, as governor. which romney's going to have to address and undermining it. >> sure. you'll see that throughout the campaign with surrogates on both sides. >> but not presumably surrogates from your own side. >> i think you will. we already have. i saw rachel maddow play two dozen similar ones romney endorsers said something vaguely critical of him. does it matter yet? is anybody paying attention yet? i don't know. >> the thing -- i think you're