krupt corrupts. the power of leadership is taking action and putting it into ideas, making people synergize. it's not about me, it's all about the group. i think in the military, specifically in the marine corps a lot, we teach that from day one, and that's something we could use on a national level, and probably internationally right now. >> from a military colonel to a corporate colonel, joining us now, john hoffmeiser, founder of the city of energy. you remember liz? >> hi, john. >> can you believe the list? >> fantastic. fantastic. >> you better be careful, they say they're going to do something, they're going to do it. your thoughts on what happens next in an undertaking like this, knowing that investment in sustainable energy is naturally a disadvantage to an investment in hydrocarbons, because