campaign, and the obama campaign made the decision they have to -- they have to undercut his ability to present himself as a job creator and businessman. they're throwing everything at him now so they can introduce him to the american people. >> so he didn't have a lot of charges, they were cost cutting companies and flipping them -- >> it's easy because it's not true. >> that's not fair, who are these people in television that keep saying -- >> they're people that worked at a factory two years after mitt romney -- two years after mitt romney. but this is the problem. if you're going to turn this into a character attack -- that's what it is. these adds are an attack. >> everything is about character. >> you can't talk family or business --