everything i said that day was testified to by the intelligence community. >> you believed was true at the time. >> yes, so did they. they shouldn't have. there were a lot of people in the agency, in the community that knew some of this information wasn't as solid as it was being presented to me, and it was also presented to the president. there was nothing that i used, the president hasn't used in the state of the union that wasn't in the nie that the congress used. >> when did you first realize it was wrong and there were no wmds. >> after the presentation and then i was, my appearance was seconded by my british and spanish colleagues. they agreed. they had the same intelligence. but as the weeks went by, suddenly this mobile van that was supposed to be making bacterial elements we discovered, it couldn't be. it was a piece of junk almost. and yet, six weeks after we had captured this thing, the cia was still saying it was designed to be for bacterial warfare.