company. it comes from having a superior product. that puts the other company out of business. and there is no case in which romney has actually pushed an idea. in other words he's never been a venture capitalist. said hey, that's a good idea, we should do that. >> bain had a venture capitalist. >> i want to get into 24. because this is one of the things that in the bain record they draw these distinctions between well look at these great, we started staples and bright horizons, a day care, which is the stuff that they tout was much more in the venture capital mode. the stuff that they're drawing criticism for was much more in the private equity mode. there's a kind of distinction between those two. >> bring up the short-term, what he did with venture capital side was finance. >> right. >> so that again is how do we get cheap funds and such. not how to build a better company or a better product. >> to your point, subsidies is a crucial question. we had joe ricketts in the news,