now. this argument that somehow proper christian or religious education will form a kid's orientation is probably pretty demonstratively wrong. when people actually said, i think i'll do this. it's more about self-discovery than anything else. >> and suggesting one thing is good and the other is bad. >> you can make that argument, that is a religious belief. this whole thing between now and election day will be fraught with a the love religious and cultural debate. it's going to be a factor in a lot of churches. >> speaking of raising children, one of the glories of this time of year is commencement. i love it. >> you're good at it. >> you'll be honored at howard university. >> tomorrow, the great historic african-american university here in washington which has so many great alumni. to go over there and receive an