government guiding and providing every need of every citizen. >> and there you have it, liberal, liberal, liberal, liberal. >> but that's liberal fiscal policy he's going toward. this is liberal policy with the independent, i think. i think that's what the point is here. i don't think that's about gay marriage, per se. you can certainly say that's on the fringe of it. i think there's a real risk for romney if the republicans make this a huge issue to try to bank votes on. i think that it ends up alienating under age 40 voters and independent voters, potentially. and you know, the thing is for romney, the flip side is that evangelicals are not that excited about him anyway. if he is now going to have to start continuing to go hard right in a general election, that's not a winner for him. tell me i'm wrong. chris agrees with me. pursing his lips. >> i also want to know what the white house does. >> i wish you were wrong. that's what i'm saying. >> do you think the president needs to come out one -- >> better angels. maggie's right, believe in our better angels and -- >> i don't think they exist. the point is they don't exist. [ everyone talking at once ] >> i will take you to -- >> can i just tell you, if this