laws in ways that would undeniably suppress voter turnout among city dwellers, minorities and the elderly. in other words voters that usually support democrats. big surprise there. republicans say it's all to prevent voter fraud, whatever that is, these days. democrats say it's a solution in search of a problem. and it will have big consequences come november. well, u.s. congressman bob brady is a democrat from pennsylvania, also the chairman of the democratic city committee in philadelphia, the organization there, and michael waldman is president of the brennan center in new york university of law. so let's start with the real guy. congressman bob brady, you've got a city organization you've got to get into the streets. what happens when these older people who live in row houses, don't own cars, don't have driver's licenses, want to vote democrat? how are you going to help them given the new law in pennsylvania? >> the new law is disenfranchising them. they have to come up with a photo i.d. if they don't have a driver's license, they have to apply for a nondriver's license photo i.d. and they have to show different types of i.d. at the polls. they have to show either an i.d. from a college that's dated.