as he's done to me and that is to somehow blame him. so -- >> i'm not -- i'm not asking -- i really don't want to get to whose fault -- no, we're rolling. but i -- i'm really not concerned with fault and whether it was you or whether it was lionel. what i'm trying to understand is what was going on between you, for whatever reason, for -- i'm sure both of you brought something to the table on that. that's usually the case in a marriage situation. my question is what kinds of things -- what do you recall about the kinds of things that were happening between you that jeff may have been exposed to, and to the extent that there is some question about -- about the kind of emotional turmoil that might have caused him? >> stone, i have to tell you, i've thought of that over and over again, and there's nothing