department or department of defense as a young senator barack obama at the time certainly would have to do and has done as president. >> yeah. donny, we've been talking in the past couple of days about, and this is what you do, how they are trying to not only market their candidate but how they are trying to market the other guy. >> yeah. >> the obama people are trying to paint mitt romney as this wild-eyed radical. he's not. he's just not. and they're trying to -- now you're getting mitt romney trying to -- >> i think his name. that's as easy as it gets. >> now the obama team is trying to paint romney as an inexperienced neophyte. it seems they are both missing their target. >> i think what's happened as far as the romney branding of both him potentially himself and obama is starting to work in his favor. the new ad that just came out, the kind of celebrity ad, the obama celebrity ad, that basically if you kind of say, they're going to paint him here, and particularly going forward