intelligence reporter -- is that it would be very hard, given how the dispersal of the targets,ço actually wipe out the program, right? is that the general sense, eli? >> yeah, i mean i think that the policy for bush and for netanyahu and for obama and everybody else has been a combination of clandestine sabotage at times it gets to the point of killing scientists for i guess the israeli side. sanctions to try to pressure the regime. and then you know, the natural result is that you pressure a regime, you give them the opportunity to pull a gadhafi. and to do that. and so, the fact that they're in negotiations at the moment when their central bank could be cut off from the world economy shouldn't surprise anybody. that's exactly what the policy is the question is do you think this regime will respond to pressure on its citizenry. and that seems to me to be an open question. >> i think that's an interesting question. because i think that, this is something you've written an entire book about, which is the structure of the iranian government and the fact that it is a complicated mix of, it is