is this going to happen? >> you just mentioned united wisconsin, that group, grassroots group, hardly any paid staff, they put 30,000 people on the staff to gather the petitions to put this recall into play. if those 30,000 people go back out in may once they've got a candidate, they can have a huge impact. that's real grassroots. >> well, let's say that walker wins the recall and gets indicted. i mean, this prosecutor can't win. he's going to be viewed as a partisan player no matter what happens. if he pulls -- drops the shoe before the election or after the election. and let's say that walker does become successful and hold on to a seat and then he gets indicted, what's that do wisconsin? >> and he's hiring a lot of top lawyers -- >> the lawyers aren't going to get him out of this. the evidence is either there or