cleveland or pittsburgh, you are talking urban center and 300,000 to 400,000 people, and there is a dozen or two microbreweries per city, but here 2 million people who live in beijing and as of 2011, we were it. >> in one of the beers we use a pepper corn. >> you go to the market and there are spices on the shelf that you will never see in america, and your mind goes crazy thinking about the brewing. >> when you come here, the best part is making banter with the vendors who run the stores. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the vendor gave me his opinion of obama in that he thought he was evil, but he thought my chinese was very good and he split the difference. he seems like a nice guy. i think that we have started something that will inspire a lot more people to do craft brewing, and i'm happy that we are the first. when there is a chinese craft brewery that makes a beer bert