save up money to go drive to jerry's house and ride with jerry to d.c. these people come flying in on jets. they're wearing amari suits. they have headquarters in d.c. how can the public compete with that? >> my intent for appearing here today is to ensure that science is allowed to do its work without human biases affecting the results. i can't say that from any of the other special interest groups whose motivations are driven by the almighty dollar and others who are attempting to shirk their liabilities while we fully admit that this is a carcinogen to rats and other animals, but yet we still just haven't tweaked that thing to where we could say it's a carcinogen to humans. the benefit of the doubt looks like it's going to go to the chemical and not to protect public health. what is wrong with this picture?