higher medicare taxes for wealthy people. >> steve rattner, seriously? seriously? >> it's the pot calling the kettle black. >> you live in a glass theater, ok? >> beautiful. >> move on from that. >> moving on from that. you also have penalties on the so-called cadillac taxes on people. you have fees on manufacturers and insurers. so a lot of taxes and fees on wealthier people and on the companies that are involved in the health care business. >> so go back to the 50%, which is obviously the biggest chunk of this. sounds like that may be a made-up number. nobody really knows what that number will be. >> it's totally a made-up number. it's the assumption that you can lower the rate of medicaid or medicare. medicare as you well know has tens of trillions of dollars of unfunded liables already. saving money on medicare to fund a new health care program does not solve the problems of medicare. >> right. >> let's talk about the revenue side of the -- sorry, the cost