this is really kind of brutal -- >> and the gruesome injuries that these men and women come home with. >> look, the goal of our mission today, right now, if they were going to tell us the truth, is what you call forced protection. it's the slow incremental withdrawal of the troops in afghanistan, but leave existing troops in certain places to protect the forces as they withdraw. that's the goal to save american lives. the second goal is we have to heal or soothe the relationship with pakistan because this is going to be a special ops war for the next five or 10 years. we'll be on the ground there for the next decade in the special ops war. you cannot conduct a special ops war in afghanistan without the involvement of pakistan. >> 500,000 troops in afghanistan don't help us reach that goal. >> this should have been a special ops war from september 12th, 2001, on.