cost. there is a reason for government getting it right. there is a rl for government as essential enabler of innovation but let's let the individual entrepreneur where every one of us listening and watching this go out and create the future. that's what i'm in favor of. >> the book is "need, speed and greed" from the economist. fascinating conversation. thanks, as always, to our needy, speedy and greedy. can i say this? this is like our plega panel. you decide which one of you -- >> i'll take speedy. >> i'm needy. >> i'll take greedy. >> see you guys soon. up next, coming clean wheb it comes to a dirty little relayingship secret. [ groans ]