>> right. >> maybe is it is a failed policy. so, that really -- >> great rhetoric and lousy policy. i read when i was working in the white house, i read a lot of old presidential speeches. some of the best were by warn g. harding. >> a real snoozer, i hear. >> nobody quotes those because they didn't produce the historic change that then retrospectively validates the rhetoric r. >> the other side of it the polar rising effect, talk about speech's effect on foreign policy. part of the piece to karl rove, related story trying to do social security privatization, talked to a senior democrat on house, ways and mean also, we can do this together, wouldn't get pefring you want, i wouldn't get everything i want, we can do it, the policy gap isn't that large but we can't support your president on this, we can't work with him. and rove said to me it was about george w. bush. it was not about the policy. i think you see examples of that in the obama administration,