know, americans think, let's get in there and send charitable activities in there, let's build new infrastructure, let's figure this out. but when you have a crisis that is as big as our current unemployment crisis, but it is long and it's slow and diffused and in all these different places, it is harder to get that sense of urgency to get in there and address it. >> that causes me to be haunted by it. they are a hidden population. and to a lot of folks, i think there's a lot of folks that think maybe they wonder why they're unemployed and the more likely it will be to leave the force. when they do they can have the effect of lowering the unemployment rate because of their hardship. i call it a carnage a few weeks a ago and it is. there will be 4 million people at some point this year this category of unemployed and the way the market is changing, it's a pious market out there, we can't deny that, but it is militating against the interest