have more freedom. is that politically possible to have policies that tolerate it at all? isn't the american public actually have zero tolerance for terrorist attacks? >> i think that's the big problem. i think there's a catechism of the emergency state that the public has learned and expects its politicians to give answers like zero. zero is not a rational answer in anything. if you try to get it, that's why the sub title talks about absolute security. you try to get absolute security, you don't get any securi security. you spend billions preparing for the wrong threats and get blind sided like 9/11. >> the emergency state is nothing new. how did it start? how did it begin in america? >> a little here, a little there. it's nothing new. it's just celebrated its 72nd anniversary. it started when franklin roosevelt was figuring out how to get into the north atlantic